OK Its about time for my upgrade and Ive found myself googling comparison charts between T-Mobile's new G2 and the sort of discontinued N1. Me myself, I still think the N1 is a heck of a beast of a smartphone, but I'm yearning for something new. But I am in Iraq right now and can't get the hands on experience. So this topic is for current owners of the N1, G2, or both. Please post your feedback to help me make my decision. Most importantly, I'd like to know what common deficiencies there are in the G2 as compared to the N1. Also, it has come to my attention that the G2 has an anti rootkit...Now our android world is all about hacking and improving, so I'd like a realistic answer to this issue...can a loophole be found, is it completely hopeless to wish that it can one day be rooted? I'm assuming that once the custom recovery is created for the G2 it will be easier, and I know that Cyanogen is eyeing the G2 so does that mean they might already be researching how to disable the rootkit? Help answers and suggestions are all welcome! Enjoy this topic and post freely please!
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N1 or G2
Started by kyubinexus, Oct 06 2010 07:21 PM
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 07:56 PM
From Cyanogen via twitter:
"cyanogen: Please stop saying "G2 rootkit". Its not a rootkit, just another attempt to slow us down."
I'm no expert but I'd be willing to bet it will be rooted soon.
"cyanogen: Please stop saying "G2 rootkit". Its not a rootkit, just another attempt to slow us down."
I'm no expert but I'd be willing to bet it will be rooted soon.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 09:05 PM
Very nice! lol
Cranky, on 06 October 2010 - 07:56 PM, said:
From Cyanogen via twitter:
"cyanogen: Please stop saying "G2 rootkit". Its not a rootkit, just another attempt to slow us down."
I'm no expert but I'd be willing to bet it will be rooted soon.
"cyanogen: Please stop saying "G2 rootkit". Its not a rootkit, just another attempt to slow us down."
I'm no expert but I'd be willing to bet it will be rooted soon.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 09:49 PM
I love my nexus one. Best phone I've ever owned. That being said, the G2 is pretty sexy looking. I don't think you'll be disappointed with either one but honestly, I'd wait a couple months and re-evaluate the android offerings. N1, G2, Droid/DroidX are all pretty similar performance-wise but there will be better, faster options in the very near future.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 11:12 PM
Brett Fox, on 06 October 2010 - 09:49 PM, said:
I love my nexus one. Best phone I've ever owned. That being said, the G2 is pretty sexy looking. I don't think you'll be disappointed with either one but honestly, I'd wait a couple months and re-evaluate the android offerings. N1, G2, Droid/DroidX are all pretty similar performance-wise but there will be better, faster options in the very near future.
I am holding out for this very reason.
The G2 does look nice, even with the hardware keyboard. (I don't like them)
We have to get around this rooting issue tho
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 11:32 PM
Still I yet to see any phone more sexy than n1. Frankly none of the upcoming phones worth upgrading from n1. But I shall look forward in 2011.
My personal opinion.
My personal opinion.
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Posted 06 October 2010 - 11:43 PM
Can the G2 work without a sim card like the N1? Running a wifi google voice/gizmo/sipdroid/GV call back setup right now.
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Posted 07 October 2010 - 12:30 AM
I haven't had a chance to play with the G2 yet but I frigging LOVE my N1.
So much flexibility with regard to how you'd like it to run, especially since I did the Universal 1-Click Androot thing and installed CM6S on the device.
I've seen the YouTube video where the Guy shows how the physical keyboard hangs loosely off the device as if it's going to break any minute if handled too forcibly. That alone makes me think I should wait for a more powerful device that can take the everyday rough & tumble use involved with having a device that's by your side nearly 24/7.
IMHO
So much flexibility with regard to how you'd like it to run, especially since I did the Universal 1-Click Androot thing and installed CM6S on the device.
I've seen the YouTube video where the Guy shows how the physical keyboard hangs loosely off the device as if it's going to break any minute if handled too forcibly. That alone makes me think I should wait for a more powerful device that can take the everyday rough & tumble use involved with having a device that's by your side nearly 24/7.
IMHO
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Posted 07 October 2010 - 12:39 AM
Don't forget that T-Mobile will be releasing yet another Android beast in the MyTouchHD (or whatever the hell it'll be officially called). That is one phone I'm very interested in and strongly considering to replace my MyTouch3G.
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Posted 07 October 2010 - 04:28 AM
What a question?
Would you want to change our 1ghz snapdragon to 800mhz non sense making processor. Nexus one is best phone in the world even if it is 9 month old. The snadragon can be overcloxked and it will run faster than modern apple a4 processor. Nexus one even owned iphone 4 look at those bechmarks over 3 time bigger on nexus one than on this ibrick! Nexus one is best phone for modding. It price didnt drop. I bought mine in cheapest shop for 580e no conrtct (we have big taxes here in finland) and now the price of he nexus one is 600e. Nexus one will get as first phone gingerbread update. I thing g2 is allredy knocked out
Would you want to change our 1ghz snapdragon to 800mhz non sense making processor. Nexus one is best phone in the world even if it is 9 month old. The snadragon can be overcloxked and it will run faster than modern apple a4 processor. Nexus one even owned iphone 4 look at those bechmarks over 3 time bigger on nexus one than on this ibrick! Nexus one is best phone for modding. It price didnt drop. I bought mine in cheapest shop for 580e no conrtct (we have big taxes here in finland) and now the price of he nexus one is 600e. Nexus one will get as first phone gingerbread update. I thing g2 is allredy knocked out
Edited by elkyur, 07 October 2010 - 04:31 AM.
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Posted 07 October 2010 - 07:28 AM
i definitely think the N1 is still a major player, but i cant deny the new snapdragon is appealing as opposed to N1's first gen snapdragon. just goes to show u dont need to overdo power to outpower something more powerful n a manner of speaking. i mean the N1 clocked 1300 while the G2 clocked 1633. thats pretty impressive for an 800mhz vs a 1 ghz. wut else should i take into consideration? i think its all about personal preference. and whats up with the MTHD??? i bet thats gonna be even more of a beast, who knows, i might buy both and switch off between my phones every week! lol anybody think thats retarded or is it more of like getting the best of 3 worlds? lol and well, how bout gingerbread? i wonder how the MTHD G2 and the N1 will perform with these updates.
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Posted 07 October 2010 - 09:15 AM
kyubinexus, on 07 October 2010 - 07:28 AM, said:
i definitely think the N1 is still a major player, but i cant deny the new snapdragon is appealing as opposed to N1's first gen snapdragon. just goes to show u dont need to overdo power to outpower something more powerful n a manner of speaking. i mean the N1 clocked 1300 while the G2 clocked 1633. thats pretty impressive for an 800mhz vs a 1 ghz. wut else should i take into consideration? i think its all about personal preference. and whats up with the MTHD??? i bet thats gonna be even more of a beast, who knows, i might buy both and switch off between my phones every week! lol anybody think thats retarded or is it more of like getting the best of 3 worlds? lol and well, how bout gingerbread? i wonder how the MTHD G2 and the N1 will perform with these updates.
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Posted 07 October 2010 - 09:31 AM
no my friend i definitely meant what i said! the graphics and processor speed in the G2 definitely outdid the N1 and for that matter, the Samsung Vibrant. go to youtube and google G2 vs N1 clocking test.
elkyur, on 07 October 2010 - 09:15 AM, said:
what do u mean with "clocked". Maybe u said those numbrrs in ms delay. Because nexus one has 1ghz and it cant be worser than g2 bricked 800mhz
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Posted 07 October 2010 - 01:05 PM
elkyur, on 07 October 2010 - 04:28 AM, said:
Would you want to change our 1ghz snapdragon to 800mhz non sense making processor.
It outperforms the 1Ghz snapdragons because it's a next generation processor with a better GPU.
If your a numbers person, then it's obviously not a device for you.
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Posted 08 October 2010 - 01:33 AM
If i were you i would wait for the mytouchHD, it sounds pretty nice. I think it might replace my N1, check it out for yourself: http://androidandme....id-phone-on-4g/
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Posted 08 October 2010 - 04:24 AM
Yes, but nexus one is beat phone in the world isnt it?
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Posted 09 October 2010 - 11:15 AM
couldnt have said it better myself!
LoyalServant, on 07 October 2010 - 01:05 PM, said:
Clock speed means nothing.
It outperforms the 1Ghz snapdragons because it's a next generation processor with a better GPU.
If your a numbers person, then it's obviously not a device for you.
It outperforms the 1Ghz snapdragons because it's a next generation processor with a better GPU.
If your a numbers person, then it's obviously not a device for you.
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Posted 09 October 2010 - 11:19 AM
all great things set the standard and are meant to be surpassed in time, thats the basics of evolution buddy! it was only a matter of time before the nexus one takes second place, i havent made up my mind about wut device i want to purchase next so obviously that means im letting my N1 set the standard, meaning it has to be better than the nexus one before i replace it!
elkyur, on 08 October 2010 - 04:24 AM, said:
Yes, but nexus one is beat phone in the world isnt it?
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Posted 09 October 2010 - 05:12 PM
I've been crazy about my N1 since the moment I opened the package. I'm a geek by trade (systems engineer) and I never buy new technology when it first comes out. Hell, I waited six months for my G1, and even that was fast for me. But I bought my N1 sight unseen, and I still put it up against any other Android phone out there.
Earlier this year, I bought a pair of MyTouch 3G 3.5s for my wife and daughter. A few months later, my wife (who will admit her lack of geekness) was griping about how slow her MT3G was compared to my N1. I did a little searching and found a new one for sale by the owner on eBay for a good price (just a few dollars more than the original cost). I rooted it, installed CM 6.0 and off she went. She loves it for it's speed and good looks.
Having looked at the G2's specs, I would say it's a nice phone, but it would have to be really special to pry the N1 away from me. This goes for all the current hi-speed Android phones from all the manufacturers. Every time I look at one, I keep going back to the N1's great features, and I know it will be a long time before I unload this phone for something else.
Frankly, here's what I would like to see some manufacturer do - something similar to what Google did with the N1. Build a cutting-edge Android phone with a fast CPU and all the bells and whistles on it. However, why not make one that covers the spectrum of 3G/HSPA frequencies so I can choose between carriers rather than between phones?
I find it tough to believe that HTC or Samsung can't build a device that can use 3G/HSPA that can use any channel, so I can choose T-Mobile, AT&T, or even better, any foreign carrier when I travel. Not that I'd leave T-Mobile, but to at least give buyers more of a choice.
(If there's an engineering reason that this isn't possible, someone correct me).
I think had this been the case, there might have been a great initial market for the N1 when Google introduced it. Instead, they introduced an AT&T model after the fact, then dropped the phone just as quickly.
Anyway, back to your question...I'd say N1. Firmly.
Earlier this year, I bought a pair of MyTouch 3G 3.5s for my wife and daughter. A few months later, my wife (who will admit her lack of geekness) was griping about how slow her MT3G was compared to my N1. I did a little searching and found a new one for sale by the owner on eBay for a good price (just a few dollars more than the original cost). I rooted it, installed CM 6.0 and off she went. She loves it for it's speed and good looks.
Having looked at the G2's specs, I would say it's a nice phone, but it would have to be really special to pry the N1 away from me. This goes for all the current hi-speed Android phones from all the manufacturers. Every time I look at one, I keep going back to the N1's great features, and I know it will be a long time before I unload this phone for something else.
Frankly, here's what I would like to see some manufacturer do - something similar to what Google did with the N1. Build a cutting-edge Android phone with a fast CPU and all the bells and whistles on it. However, why not make one that covers the spectrum of 3G/HSPA frequencies so I can choose between carriers rather than between phones?
I find it tough to believe that HTC or Samsung can't build a device that can use 3G/HSPA that can use any channel, so I can choose T-Mobile, AT&T, or even better, any foreign carrier when I travel. Not that I'd leave T-Mobile, but to at least give buyers more of a choice.
(If there's an engineering reason that this isn't possible, someone correct me).
I think had this been the case, there might have been a great initial market for the N1 when Google introduced it. Instead, they introduced an AT&T model after the fact, then dropped the phone just as quickly.
Anyway, back to your question...I'd say N1. Firmly.
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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:03 AM
exactly! ur story is a good example and is wut solidifies my statement that the N1 sets the standard barnone! I love my N1, but I'd definitely love to test out the 2nd Gen 1GHz Snapdragon. Its gonna kill the galaxy s even when they get the froyo update. Cant wait til Cyan puts out a rom for the myTouch HD. its already gonna be a killer phone, and once Team ****** gets their hands on it, O MAN! can't wait!
joe.attaboy, on 09 October 2010 - 05:12 PM, said:
I've been crazy about my N1 since the moment I opened the package. I'm a geek by trade (systems engineer) and I never buy new technology when it first comes out. Hell, I waited six months for my G1, and even that was fast for me. But I bought my N1 sight unseen, and I still put it up against any other Android phone out there.
Earlier this year, I bought a pair of MyTouch 3G 3.5s for my wife and daughter. A few months later, my wife (who will admit her lack of geekness) was griping about how slow her MT3G was compared to my N1. I did a little searching and found a new one for sale by the owner on eBay for a good price (just a few dollars more than the original cost). I rooted it, installed CM 6.0 and off she went. She loves it for it's speed and good looks.
Having looked at the G2's specs, I would say it's a nice phone, but it would have to be really special to pry the N1 away from me. This goes for all the current hi-speed Android phones from all the manufacturers. Every time I look at one, I keep going back to the N1's great features, and I know it will be a long time before I unload this phone for something else.
Frankly, here's what I would like to see some manufacturer do - something similar to what Google did with the N1. Build a cutting-edge Android phone with a fast CPU and all the bells and whistles on it. However, why not make one that covers the spectrum of 3G/HSPA frequencies so I can choose between carriers rather than between phones?
I find it tough to believe that HTC or Samsung can't build a device that can use 3G/HSPA that can use any channel, so I can choose T-Mobile, AT&T, or even better, any foreign carrier when I travel. Not that I'd leave T-Mobile, but to at least give buyers more of a choice.
(If there's an engineering reason that this isn't possible, someone correct me).
I think had this been the case, there might have been a great initial market for the N1 when Google introduced it. Instead, they introduced an AT&T model after the fact, then dropped the phone just as quickly.
Anyway, back to your question...I'd say N1. Firmly.
Earlier this year, I bought a pair of MyTouch 3G 3.5s for my wife and daughter. A few months later, my wife (who will admit her lack of geekness) was griping about how slow her MT3G was compared to my N1. I did a little searching and found a new one for sale by the owner on eBay for a good price (just a few dollars more than the original cost). I rooted it, installed CM 6.0 and off she went. She loves it for it's speed and good looks.
Having looked at the G2's specs, I would say it's a nice phone, but it would have to be really special to pry the N1 away from me. This goes for all the current hi-speed Android phones from all the manufacturers. Every time I look at one, I keep going back to the N1's great features, and I know it will be a long time before I unload this phone for something else.
Frankly, here's what I would like to see some manufacturer do - something similar to what Google did with the N1. Build a cutting-edge Android phone with a fast CPU and all the bells and whistles on it. However, why not make one that covers the spectrum of 3G/HSPA frequencies so I can choose between carriers rather than between phones?
I find it tough to believe that HTC or Samsung can't build a device that can use 3G/HSPA that can use any channel, so I can choose T-Mobile, AT&T, or even better, any foreign carrier when I travel. Not that I'd leave T-Mobile, but to at least give buyers more of a choice.
(If there's an engineering reason that this isn't possible, someone correct me).
I think had this been the case, there might have been a great initial market for the N1 when Google introduced it. Instead, they introduced an AT&T model after the fact, then dropped the phone just as quickly.
Anyway, back to your question...I'd say N1. Firmly.
